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		<title>Comment on The Brain is the Map of the Mind by James Vornov</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Vornov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me very important- there is no who. There really is just the brain working away. The mind that you and I experience is what our brain is doing at the moment.

Descartes is credited with starting this error of talking about two things- mind and body. There is only one thing. Even though I tend to call it the Cartesian error, it goes way back to the earliest writings in the Greek and my own Jewish traditions.

I&#039;m always on the lookout for the error when I read neuroscience. The literature, both popular and scientific, if full of statements implying that mind can control brain or that mind is perceiving what is occurring in the brain.

But as John Searle has pointed out most pointedly, retreating to pure materialism and ignoring mind as not existing is to miss the most interesting part of the endeavor of brain science. 

At this point, we can pretty confidently point to the brain activity underlying most of what we experience of our brain activity. I&#039;m not sure there will ever be much more of an explanation since the experience is an emergent process from neuronal activity. Explain it at either level, correlate them, but it may be that you can&#039;t turn one into the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me very important- there is no who. There really is just the brain working away. The mind that you and I experience is what our brain is doing at the moment.</p>
<p>Descartes is credited with starting this error of talking about two things- mind and body. There is only one thing. Even though I tend to call it the Cartesian error, it goes way back to the earliest writings in the Greek and my own Jewish traditions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always on the lookout for the error when I read neuroscience. The literature, both popular and scientific, if full of statements implying that mind can control brain or that mind is perceiving what is occurring in the brain.</p>
<p>But as John Searle has pointed out most pointedly, retreating to pure materialism and ignoring mind as not existing is to miss the most interesting part of the endeavor of brain science. </p>
<p>At this point, we can pretty confidently point to the brain activity underlying most of what we experience of our brain activity. I&#8217;m not sure there will ever be much more of an explanation since the experience is an emergent process from neuronal activity. Explain it at either level, correlate them, but it may be that you can&#8217;t turn one into the other.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Brain is the Map of the Mind by eric vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 02:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - cards on the table.

I think &quot;embodied&quot; is a good start, but I &quot;feel&quot; you are skipping by a lot with the phrase &quot;give meaning to the actions of others&quot;. I have the same objection as before. Meaning for who? 

I am impressed by the discoveries of cognitive science, but completely underwhelmed by the short cuts taken in discussing consciousness. Basically, I think the popular authors (and those are the ones I have encountered) actually know a lot less about &quot;consciousness&quot; than they seem to think they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; cards on the table.</p>
<p>I think &#8220;embodied&#8221; is a good start, but I &#8220;feel&#8221; you are skipping by a lot with the phrase &#8220;give meaning to the actions of others&#8221;. I have the same objection as before. Meaning for who? </p>
<p>I am impressed by the discoveries of cognitive science, but completely underwhelmed by the short cuts taken in discussing consciousness. Basically, I think the popular authors (and those are the ones I have encountered) actually know a lot less about &#8220;consciousness&#8221; than they seem to think they do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Brain is the Map of the Mind by James Vornov</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Vornov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d sum up the idea along the lines of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embodied_cognition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;embodied mind&lt;/a&gt; approach. For example we think about stocks going &quot;up&quot; which implies a lot of physical attributes to the abstract notion of the value of a company. For example, it implies that its easier for a stock to fall than to continue rising. If our brains are built around physical and temporal maps, then it seems probable that we use new versions of those maps as metaphors for the abstract. Even though the concept of &quot;mirror neurons&quot; has been questioned, there&#039;s still little doubt that we use the motor parts of our brains to interpret the motor intentions of others, simulating what some one else does or says with our own motor maps to give meaning to the actions of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d sum up the idea along the lines of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embodied_cognition" rel="nofollow">embodied mind</a> approach. For example we think about stocks going &#8220;up&#8221; which implies a lot of physical attributes to the abstract notion of the value of a company. For example, it implies that its easier for a stock to fall than to continue rising. If our brains are built around physical and temporal maps, then it seems probable that we use new versions of those maps as metaphors for the abstract. Even though the concept of &#8220;mirror neurons&#8221; has been questioned, there&#8217;s still little doubt that we use the motor parts of our brains to interpret the motor intentions of others, simulating what some one else does or says with our own motor maps to give meaning to the actions of others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Brain is the Map of the Mind by eric vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - Just found and am enjoying your blog. Did wonder about the following...

&quot;It’s a small conceptual step to suggest that valuation of stock, reading another person’s motivation, and understanding calculus are all brain maps of various types.&quot;

Please, not so fast! Who values, who reads, who understands? And maybe even more importantly, who models the world?

I am curious to know how you fill this in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211; Just found and am enjoying your blog. Did wonder about the following&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s a small conceptual step to suggest that valuation of stock, reading another person’s motivation, and understanding calculus are all brain maps of various types.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please, not so fast! Who values, who reads, who understands? And maybe even more importantly, who models the world?</p>
<p>I am curious to know how you fill this in?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Perfect Practice by James Vornov</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Vornov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 02:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll defer to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bythom.com/nikond7000review.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thom Hogan&lt;/a&gt; on this. His thought was that if you have a D90, it may not be worth the upgrade. I actually moved &quot;down&quot; from a D300 which I sold. Loved the D300, but get marginally better quality in a smaller, lighter package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll defer to <a href="http://www.bythom.com/nikond7000review.htm" rel="nofollow">Thom Hogan</a> on this. His thought was that if you have a D90, it may not be worth the upgrade. I actually moved &#8220;down&#8221; from a D300 which I sold. Loved the D300, but get marginally better quality in a smaller, lighter package.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The LImits of Reductionism by James Vornov</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Vornov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 00:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the problem is that we look at p&lt;.05 as a standard of universal truth rather than a hypothesis about a particular data set collected under particular conditions. In complex systems like effects of drugs on the body, we don&#039;t get to truth with a clinical trials, just evidence that leads us to believe the drug is useful. The better the evidence, the stronger the belief. Replication strengthens belief, contrary or negative studies decreases belief. 

Of course with publication bias toward positive studies, so I start reading every clinical report with the jaundiced eye of one who wonders how many negative studies remain unpublished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the problem is that we look at p<.05 as a standard of universal truth rather than a hypothesis about a particular data set collected under particular conditions. In complex systems like effects of drugs on the body, we don&#8217;t get to truth with a clinical trials, just evidence that leads us to believe the drug is useful. The better the evidence, the stronger the belief. Replication strengthens belief, contrary or negative studies decreases belief. </p>
<p>Of course with publication bias toward positive studies, so I start reading every clinical report with the jaundiced eye of one who wonders how many negative studies remain unpublished.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The LImits of Reductionism by Glen B Alleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen B Alleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know of no published paper with field data that does not have error bars. It seems many in the CAS domain have forgotten this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of no published paper with field data that does not have error bars. It seems many in the CAS domain have forgotten this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Perfect Practice by Nikon D7000 Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikon D7000 Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price of D7000 with body only at $1,200 is considered quite steep and there’s not much improvement as compared to the D90.

I will still stick with my D90 for sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price of D7000 with body only at $1,200 is considered quite steep and there’s not much improvement as compared to the D90.</p>
<p>I will still stick with my D90 for sometime.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Approaching Complexity by Dave Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 04:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, stop! Head spinning. I just noticed something in Groundhog Day that is replicated in many many movies, but I don&#039;t ever recall (perhaps because I&#039;ve deliberately filtered it) seeing it discussed before.

But yeah, &quot;the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.&quot; 

Imagine, perhaps, the complexity of a committed relationship, and why so many fail.

How does one manage the disruptive affects of uncertainty in the complex system of a committed relationship? Perhaps more accurately, how does a couple manage uncertainty in a committed relationship?

Indeed, why do we seem to need some type of committed relationship (there are many)? How does one manage the disruptive affects of uncertainty in the existential questions of only one life? The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Denial or affirmation? Which is generative?

Stay tuned... Another Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious to follow. And I&#039;m delighted by the synchronicity (at least in hindsight) of certain discussions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, stop! Head spinning. I just noticed something in Groundhog Day that is replicated in many many movies, but I don&#8217;t ever recall (perhaps because I&#8217;ve deliberately filtered it) seeing it discussed before.</p>
<p>But yeah, &#8220;the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.&#8221; </p>
<p>Imagine, perhaps, the complexity of a committed relationship, and why so many fail.</p>
<p>How does one manage the disruptive affects of uncertainty in the complex system of a committed relationship? Perhaps more accurately, how does a couple manage uncertainty in a committed relationship?</p>
<p>Indeed, why do we seem to need some type of committed relationship (there are many)? How does one manage the disruptive affects of uncertainty in the existential questions of only one life? The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Denial or affirmation? Which is generative?</p>
<p>Stay tuned&#8230; Another Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious to follow. And I&#8217;m delighted by the synchronicity (at least in hindsight) of certain discussions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Complexity and the Edge of Chaos Revisited by James Vornov</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Vornov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reminded of the Power Law finding reading Complexity, published in 1992. This relationship appears in all kinds of connected systems so its not surprising how easy it is to find on the relatively easily quantified internet. I think that for every Einstein, Darwin and Smith at the peak of the power curve there are folks like you and me farther down the curve more connected than many but not central nodes like those iconic figures. One of the ideas about the power curve pattern in complexity is that all of the individuals along the curve participate, its just that some are more central.

I presume it takes a long time to fill up the schema of younger brains with new ideas. Some ideas, like religion, seem recur despite new ideas that seem to compete.

Its a point that you&#039;ve made often about these inflection points that promise to change everything. They seem more to change how we do the same old thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reminded of the Power Law finding reading Complexity, published in 1992. This relationship appears in all kinds of connected systems so its not surprising how easy it is to find on the relatively easily quantified internet. I think that for every Einstein, Darwin and Smith at the peak of the power curve there are folks like you and me farther down the curve more connected than many but not central nodes like those iconic figures. One of the ideas about the power curve pattern in complexity is that all of the individuals along the curve participate, its just that some are more central.</p>
<p>I presume it takes a long time to fill up the schema of younger brains with new ideas. Some ideas, like religion, seem recur despite new ideas that seem to compete.</p>
<p>Its a point that you&#8217;ve made often about these inflection points that promise to change everything. They seem more to change how we do the same old thing.</p>
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